On page 29 of the 20 year abortion celebration anniversary, we come to the very heart of what abortion advocates are so deathly afraid of--the unborn child.
Out of 79 pages of text, only one presenter, Lawyer Shelley Gavigan speaks at any length of the human fetus.
The fetus always poses a problem for pro-abortion people. They believe if they deny its value, and convince others to do the same--the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their collective ears saying la-la-la I can't hear you--they will somehow alter reality.
When they do discuss the fetus, logic has a sort of Alice in Wonderland feel to it. Am I awake? Am I dreaming? Is anything real? Is life just an illusion?
The master of this technique is the radical abortion advocate, Joyce Arthur.
In all her many writings, and in particular in her Fetus Focus Fallacy and Personhood: Is a Fetus a Human Being? Arthur tells us that the moral status of the fetus is an "opinion" and that it is "subjective" and "emotional":
"We all have our own opinions about what the moral status of the fetus might be. Some people believe a fertilized egg is a full human being with an absolute right to life that supersedes any right of the woman. Others believe that a fetus attains moral value only after it becomes viable, or upon birth. But that's all these beliefs are - opinions. There's no way to decide between them, because they're entirely subjective and emotional. Therefore, the only opinion that counts is that of the pregnant woman. The status of her fetus and any moral value accorded to it is entirely her call. A fetus becomes a human being when the woman carrying it decides it does."
Arthur devotes over 20 pages in these two articles as she expounds on her theory that the value of the fetus is based on a woman's opinion. Unfortunately for Arthur, her weird reasonings don't alter the truth that the fetus has moral value.
In Gavigan's presentation: Better Never Than Late, But Why? The Contradictory Relationship Between Law and Abortion, she is dismissive of the unborn child. Talking from a historical perspective Gavigan talks about:
"...the demise of the relevance of quickening"
and
"I found the voices of women who said to doctors, “Nonsense, doctor, there is no life yet…” and “Doctor, I do not believe it is a crime.”
But pro-abortionists know they are on shaky ground. The Supreme Court ruled the state had an interest in the fetus because of its value. Gavigan says:
"It is now axiomatic to observe the Supreme Court’s 1988 decision resolved some questions but left many more dangling—tantalizing and inviting to the opponents of women’s right to choose. For instance, the precise nature and expression of what all judges of the Supreme Court characterized as the “state’s interest in the foetus” remained to be elaborated and tested."
The state's interest in protecting the fetus concerns pro-abortion people. As does what Gavigan calls the "Ideology of the unborn child":
"Their discourse of the unborn child has become a dominant ideology of our time. Their ability to present all pregnant women as risky, possibly irresponsible, always potentially hostile to their own pregnancies, has in my view become pervasive and I believe socially shared. So, rather than speak of maternal mortality, or of women’s inherent dignity, of the complexity of the abortion decision, never not a complex decision, never an easy choice, or of sexual coercion, they assert only a chorus of the unborn child in a selfimpregnated woman... I do struggle with how to engage with the dominant ideology of the unborn child."
Pro-abortion people know that those of us against abortion aren't going away. It frightens them.
Then Gavigan talks more on ideology; takes a stab at men; and is indignant at our non-acceptance of late-term abortions--all in a single breath:
"I do want to make the point that ideologues like David Frum attempt to cultivate in the national imagination that late trimester abortions are a ubiquitous menace, a direct legacy from Madam Justice Wilson’s courageous reminder of the limits of men to be able to respond—‘even imaginatively’—to something so out of his personal experience. It is difficult to discern even a kernel of truth in David Frum’s construction of the crisis– for the world is truly upside down through his lens. The image of the scourge of late trimester abortion could not be further from the truth, and yet it is asserted as truth."
Is Gavigan saying that late-term abortion don't happen? Or that they aren't a ubiquitous menace? Or both? Pro-abortion people get cranky with the late-term abortion topic. I wonder if late-term abortions bother them even a little bit.
Ms. Mary Martian ruminates at the back of the room: "How can these people place so little value on their unborn offspring?" She asks herself. "This doesn't make any sense. This human species doesn't make any sense". Then Mary answers her own question. She has an ah-ha experience. "The fetus does have value. It is only a strange subgroup of Earthlings that believe it doesn't."
Mary realizes that the moral value of unborn children is an objective reality. It's not a matter of some one's opinion at all. She gets it: abortion advocates can say, think, and argue all they want with their strange notions of the value of the unborn. She understands that their reasoning is illogical. She has learned that abortion is the intentional destruction of these unborn members of our species. She gets that the fetus has value.
Part 1...Women's "Rights"
Part 2...When the truth isn't the truth
Part 3...Translating Dr. Henry Morgentaler
Part 4...Why late-term abortions are not inconsequential
Thursday, July 15, 2010
Wednesday, June 30, 2010
Status of Women Committee hears evidence for Maternal Health Care initiative
Bias: predisposition, preconception, predilection, partiality, proclivity, bent, leaning
Recently the Status of Women Committee submitted a report of the result of four days of meetings and witness testimony at the Status of Women committee, which includes members from all parties, after maternal and child health was adopted as the priority of the G8 meeting.
There were 16 presenters. I have identified what they said on abortion and/or interesting quotes they made. It was not certain in all cases if a presenter was advocating for abortion. I have included some interesting testimony as well from Bloc MP Nicole Demers.
Noticeably absent from the hearings were MaterCare International and REAL Women of Canada. I contacted MaterCare and asked them why they were not present.
Dr Rob Walley replied: "This is the first I have heard of such hearings. MaterCare International obviously was not invited. It is just another example of what is happening in Canada. It is a joke for which the tax payer will pay to fund abortion birth control etc. Africans do not want this form of abortion Imperialism."
Dr. Walley also sent me a copy of his press release that MaterCare circulated before the G8 conference.
Ms. Diane Watts confirmed for me that REAL Women was not invited to the hearings.
May 3 presentations:
Canadian Society for International Health, Janet Hatcher Roberts, Executive Director: (Says nothing specific about abortion)
Partnership for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health (PMNCH), Dorothy Shaw, Canada Spokesperson ("you can save even more lives if you add in access to safe abortion")
Women Deliver, Jill Wilkinson Sheffield, President ("women need access to safe abortion services where and when legal")
May 5 presentations:
Action Canada for Population and Development, Katherine McDonald, Executive Director (strong abortion advocates)
Guttmacher Institute, Sharon Camp, President and Chief Executive Officer (supports safe abortion. "The 1993 Helms amendment, which prohibits the use of U.S. foreign aid dollars for abortion promotion or services, still stands. I would certainly like to see it overturned. I doubt that will happen in the next year or two.")
Oxfam Canada, Robert Fox, Executive Director ("A woman dies every eight minutes on this planet from an unsafe abortion. There are many women in situations of conflict who wish they had access to safe services.")
White Ribbon Alliance for Safe Motherhood, Maureen McTeer, Canadian Representative ("Whenever I think that a woman dies from an abortion every eight minutes or that every minute a woman dies trying to give a birth, I tell myself that something is not working.")
May 10 presentations:
Canadian Federation for Sexual Health, Jolanta Scott-Parker, Executive Director (supports abortion)
Fédération du Québec pour le planning des naissances, Ainsley Jenicek, Project Manager (supports abortion, used the word "abortion" 33 times in her presentation, noteable quote: "Having sat in just a few weeks ago on a few abortions, prior to 15 weeks, in a feminist clinic in Quebec...These procedures are so fast and so cost-effective")
International Confederation of Midwives, Bridget Lynch, President ("Midwives provide family planning, and in some countries are attending at first trimester abortions...Women will die, and women will die if there aren't functioning health care systems. Ultimately, this is not our decision about who receives and who does not receive an abortion. We should not be involved in this discussion as a nation. That is up to the individual woman and her health care providers. I don't even want to say that it's up to the law in the country, because it is not. We all, as women and as people, have to get past this. It's ridiculous. I'm seeing what is going on with the politicization of this committee. We're wasting this opportunity to support Canada taking a leadership role, including the provision of.... I've been sitting here for an hour and a half now, somewhat aghast, as I realize the division within this committee. What is going on here? Being so absolutely, humanly... I'm asking the question. What is happening here politically? Are you really saying that in 2010 a woman should die because Canada said, based on politics, that we wouldn't be providing funding")
International Planned Parenthood Federation, Pierre La Ramée, Director, Development and Public Affairs, Western Hemisphere Region (strong abortion supporter, "I'd like to say a little bit about abortion in Africa and Latin America. It would be a misrepresentation to say that abortion is illegal in Africa and Latin America. The fact is that in the majority of countries in Africa and Latin America it's legal under some circumstances. In countries where it is not legal, the Democratic Republic of the Congo being a case in point, Canada's concern shouldn't be to try to impose its laws or its values on the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Rather, I would hope that Canada would be concerned with rape as a weapon of war and the large number of women who die from unsafe abortion, because in a circumstance where abortion is not legal, this becomes a major contributor to maternal mortality".)
Regroupement Naissance-Renaissance, Lorraine Fontaine, Coordinator, Political Issues (doesn't mention abortion)
(an interesting exchange):
Mrs. Michelle Simson (Scarborough Southwest, Lib.):
We've heard testimony from witnesses during the course of this study that access to full reproductive and sexual health care is not just a health issue, but it's a basic human right. Would you agree with this view or not?
Mr. Pierre La Ramée: Yes.
Ms. Jolanta Scott-Parker: Yes, absolutely.
Ms. Ainsley Jenicek: Yes.
Ms. Bridget Lynch: Yes.
Ms. Lorraine Fontaine: Yes.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: Thank you.
May 12, 2010:
AUTO21, Anne Snowdon, Researcher
Results Canada, Christina Dendys, Executive Director
Safe Kids Canada, Pamela Fuselli, Executive Director
Save the Children Canada, Cicely McWilliam, Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign
(None of these four women mentioned abortion in their presentations.)
Mrs. Michelle Simson (Lib)
"So my question is this. Given that you all mentioned that you support a comprehensive approach, wouldn't you agree that this is now maybe becoming a menu-like approach, based on what our government would like to do, and would contradict this consensus on a comprehensive approach, and in doing so would drastically reduce its effectiveness?"
The Chair: We'll begin with Ms. McWilliam.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: To be honest, I actually will choose to stay silent on that, in large part because there is a reason why we as a group, and Save the Children in particular, in our brief focused on community health workers. It's that we really felt that this was where the need is. It's not that we don't support the notion of a comprehensive approach. We're a member of the Partnership for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health, and as a member we have certainly endorsed their overall mission statement.
But from the point of view of the work that we do, what we see —
Mrs. Michelle Simson: Yes, you did testify that your organization doesn't offer any abortion services.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: Right, but beyond just the services we provide, I'm talking about what we see on the ground and the fact that roughly 85% of the women who are dying are dying not because of or related to abortion. Those are all reasons why we felt it was important to focus on providing skilled attendants —
Mrs. Michelle Simson: You mean they're not dying as a result of a lack of access to abortion?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: No, no, 85% are dying through lack of access to skilled birth attendants and because of sepsis, etc.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: I don't mean to cut you off, but this is a five-minute round, so I want to give the other witnesses an opportunity.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: Fair enough. But that's why I sort of stayed silent, on balance.
The Chair: Ms. Dendys.
Ms. Christina Dendys: I actually didn't think you stayed silent. I thought it was a good answer. We focused on Canada's value-add being front line workers because we thought that's where we could have tremendous impact for the very poorest people where they live. But in terms of a comprehensive approach, what I heard coming out of the development ministers meeting was that under the G8 initiative as a whole, countries will have an opportunity to invest where they feel they can have the most impact, based on their skills and their capacity, and that Canada's approach would be focused on contraception and other ranges of opportunities, but not necessarily abortion.
Dr. Anne Snowdon: I have nothing further to add.
The Chair: Ms. Fuselli.
Ms. Pamela Fuselli: No, this is outside of my scope of expertise,for sure. Certainly we focus on the child side.
The Chair: Thank you. You have one and a half minutes.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: If you focus on the child side, would you reject evidence that access to safe abortions and contraception could prevent up to 40% of maternal deaths, which has a direct impact on a child, who can die as a result of their mother having died?
Ms. Pamela Fuselli: The topic is completely outside of my scope of expertise.
The Chair: Ms. Dendys, did you want to answer that? You seemed to be
Ms. Christina Dendys: I'm sorry, I was confused about who it was directed to. You said that a large proportion of women die because of lack of access to contraceptive care. What we're advocating concerning these front line health workers is certainly the capacity to deliver a full range of supports in terms of contraception and family planning and birth spacing.
The Chair: You have 30 seconds.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: The other part of the question was this. If mothers are dying, if 40% of maternal deaths are lack of access to safe abortions, because they're jumping off roofs, would you not agree that it has a direct impact on the lives of children?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: I'm sorry, I've not heard that statistic, so I can't speak to it. The statistic that I've seen repeatedly is that it's roughly 15% of women. That's not something to sneeze at, not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want to leave the impression that I think that's an acceptable number. But as I said, because the majority of the women, according to the statistics, whom we've seen and worked with as organizations are dying because of problems related to the carrying of a child to term and the problems during delivery and after delivery, that is where we felt the focus should be.
The Chair: Thank you.
(later evidence follows...notice how Ms. Demers' tone changes as she asks her questions and note her very last comment)
The Chair: Thank you, Mrs. Wong.
Now we go to Madame Demers for the Bloc.
Ms. Nicole Demers (Laval, BQ): Thank you, Madam Chair.
Ladies, thank you for being here. The World Health Organization says that for the fifth millennium development goal to be achieved, maternal mortality rates will have to decrease much faster that they did between 1990 and 2005, which means that there must be greater focus on women's health care and prevention of unwanted pregnancies and unsafe abortions, and women must be able to receive quality obstetrical care during pregnancy and childbirth.
Today, one seventh of the women in Africa die from failed or unsafe abortions or in childbirth. Nearly 1.7 million women a year have abortions that leave them injured, mutilated, unable to have children after or dead because they had children after. A total of 45,000 women die every year.
You said that was nothing to sneeze at. Don't all these women have the right to stay alive, like any woman who wants to have children, and look forward to having a child one day when they are ready to have one?
Don't you think that our goal as a country should also include ensuring that all women can live and survive pregnancy and childbirth or an abortion of an unwanted pregnancy?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: First of all, as I said before, Save the Children is a member of the partnership, and we support the notion of an entire support of reproductive care, or health care in totality. What I was saying in relation to the focus of this brief is, again, where the consensus of the organizations who drafted it felt that the value-add for Canada was. Again, the G8 as a whole will take reproductive care up —
Ms. Nicole Demers: I am sorry, but I did not read your brief. I did not have time to read it because we just received it. I am asking you a very simple question. You said you agreed that the full range of care should be provided. I do not agree that women in other countries should receive less care than women here. I am sorry. Ms. Dendys, I would like your opinion on this.
Ms. Christina Dendys: I don't disagree with you, in the sense that all women should have access to health. What we were asked to present on was where we thought the value-added was and where we thought we could have tremendous impact in terms of the vast majority of women and children who are dying. We collectively have determined, based on my colleagues' expertise or the groups' expertise, that community care and front line health workers can have a tremendous impact and give tremendous value-added to the continuum of care.
A bigger issue related to what you are talking about in terms of the full range of reproductive choice is that one of the challenges in 90% of African countries is that there is no access to abortion. It's illegal.
Ms. Nicole Demers: Madame Dendys, je comprends —
Ms. Christina Dendys: I mean, there are ways to address that through the UN, and other ways as well, but I am just saying that we were asked to present here on what we thought our value-add was for Canada. So that's what we're presenting on.
Ms. Nicole Demers: I understand that you likely receive funding and cannot speak. That is clear.
The Chair: You have one more minute.
Ms. Nicole Demers: No, thank you, Madam Chair. It is pointless for me to be here today after what I have heard.
The Chair: Thank you, Madame Demers.
Ms. Mathyssen for the NDP.
Ms. Irene Mathyssen: Thank you, Madam Chair.
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All testimony is found here
Monday, May June 7, 2010
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Monday, May 10, 2010
Wednesday May 5, 2010
Monday May 3, 2010
Recently the Status of Women Committee submitted a report of the result of four days of meetings and witness testimony at the Status of Women committee, which includes members from all parties, after maternal and child health was adopted as the priority of the G8 meeting.
There were 16 presenters. I have identified what they said on abortion and/or interesting quotes they made. It was not certain in all cases if a presenter was advocating for abortion. I have included some interesting testimony as well from Bloc MP Nicole Demers.
Noticeably absent from the hearings were MaterCare International and REAL Women of Canada. I contacted MaterCare and asked them why they were not present.
Dr Rob Walley replied: "This is the first I have heard of such hearings. MaterCare International obviously was not invited. It is just another example of what is happening in Canada. It is a joke for which the tax payer will pay to fund abortion birth control etc. Africans do not want this form of abortion Imperialism."
Dr. Walley also sent me a copy of his press release that MaterCare circulated before the G8 conference.
Ms. Diane Watts confirmed for me that REAL Women was not invited to the hearings.
May 3 presentations:
Canadian Society for International Health, Janet Hatcher Roberts, Executive Director: (Says nothing specific about abortion)
Partnership for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health (PMNCH), Dorothy Shaw, Canada Spokesperson ("you can save even more lives if you add in access to safe abortion")
Women Deliver, Jill Wilkinson Sheffield, President ("women need access to safe abortion services where and when legal")
May 5 presentations:
Action Canada for Population and Development, Katherine McDonald, Executive Director (strong abortion advocates)
Guttmacher Institute, Sharon Camp, President and Chief Executive Officer (supports safe abortion. "The 1993 Helms amendment, which prohibits the use of U.S. foreign aid dollars for abortion promotion or services, still stands. I would certainly like to see it overturned. I doubt that will happen in the next year or two.")
Oxfam Canada, Robert Fox, Executive Director ("A woman dies every eight minutes on this planet from an unsafe abortion. There are many women in situations of conflict who wish they had access to safe services.")
White Ribbon Alliance for Safe Motherhood, Maureen McTeer, Canadian Representative ("Whenever I think that a woman dies from an abortion every eight minutes or that every minute a woman dies trying to give a birth, I tell myself that something is not working.")
May 10 presentations:
Canadian Federation for Sexual Health, Jolanta Scott-Parker, Executive Director (supports abortion)
Fédération du Québec pour le planning des naissances, Ainsley Jenicek, Project Manager (supports abortion, used the word "abortion" 33 times in her presentation, noteable quote: "Having sat in just a few weeks ago on a few abortions, prior to 15 weeks, in a feminist clinic in Quebec...These procedures are so fast and so cost-effective")
International Confederation of Midwives, Bridget Lynch, President ("Midwives provide family planning, and in some countries are attending at first trimester abortions...Women will die, and women will die if there aren't functioning health care systems. Ultimately, this is not our decision about who receives and who does not receive an abortion. We should not be involved in this discussion as a nation. That is up to the individual woman and her health care providers. I don't even want to say that it's up to the law in the country, because it is not. We all, as women and as people, have to get past this. It's ridiculous. I'm seeing what is going on with the politicization of this committee. We're wasting this opportunity to support Canada taking a leadership role, including the provision of.... I've been sitting here for an hour and a half now, somewhat aghast, as I realize the division within this committee. What is going on here? Being so absolutely, humanly... I'm asking the question. What is happening here politically? Are you really saying that in 2010 a woman should die because Canada said, based on politics, that we wouldn't be providing funding")
International Planned Parenthood Federation, Pierre La Ramée, Director, Development and Public Affairs, Western Hemisphere Region (strong abortion supporter, "I'd like to say a little bit about abortion in Africa and Latin America. It would be a misrepresentation to say that abortion is illegal in Africa and Latin America. The fact is that in the majority of countries in Africa and Latin America it's legal under some circumstances. In countries where it is not legal, the Democratic Republic of the Congo being a case in point, Canada's concern shouldn't be to try to impose its laws or its values on the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Rather, I would hope that Canada would be concerned with rape as a weapon of war and the large number of women who die from unsafe abortion, because in a circumstance where abortion is not legal, this becomes a major contributor to maternal mortality".)
Regroupement Naissance-Renaissance, Lorraine Fontaine, Coordinator, Political Issues (doesn't mention abortion)
(an interesting exchange):
Mrs. Michelle Simson (Scarborough Southwest, Lib.):
We've heard testimony from witnesses during the course of this study that access to full reproductive and sexual health care is not just a health issue, but it's a basic human right. Would you agree with this view or not?
Mr. Pierre La Ramée: Yes.
Ms. Jolanta Scott-Parker: Yes, absolutely.
Ms. Ainsley Jenicek: Yes.
Ms. Bridget Lynch: Yes.
Ms. Lorraine Fontaine: Yes.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: Thank you.
May 12, 2010:
AUTO21, Anne Snowdon, Researcher
Results Canada, Christina Dendys, Executive Director
Safe Kids Canada, Pamela Fuselli, Executive Director
Save the Children Canada, Cicely McWilliam, Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign
(None of these four women mentioned abortion in their presentations.)
Mrs. Michelle Simson (Lib)
"So my question is this. Given that you all mentioned that you support a comprehensive approach, wouldn't you agree that this is now maybe becoming a menu-like approach, based on what our government would like to do, and would contradict this consensus on a comprehensive approach, and in doing so would drastically reduce its effectiveness?"
The Chair: We'll begin with Ms. McWilliam.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: To be honest, I actually will choose to stay silent on that, in large part because there is a reason why we as a group, and Save the Children in particular, in our brief focused on community health workers. It's that we really felt that this was where the need is. It's not that we don't support the notion of a comprehensive approach. We're a member of the Partnership for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health, and as a member we have certainly endorsed their overall mission statement.
But from the point of view of the work that we do, what we see —
Mrs. Michelle Simson: Yes, you did testify that your organization doesn't offer any abortion services.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: Right, but beyond just the services we provide, I'm talking about what we see on the ground and the fact that roughly 85% of the women who are dying are dying not because of or related to abortion. Those are all reasons why we felt it was important to focus on providing skilled attendants —
Mrs. Michelle Simson: You mean they're not dying as a result of a lack of access to abortion?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: No, no, 85% are dying through lack of access to skilled birth attendants and because of sepsis, etc.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: I don't mean to cut you off, but this is a five-minute round, so I want to give the other witnesses an opportunity.
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: Fair enough. But that's why I sort of stayed silent, on balance.
The Chair: Ms. Dendys.
Ms. Christina Dendys: I actually didn't think you stayed silent. I thought it was a good answer. We focused on Canada's value-add being front line workers because we thought that's where we could have tremendous impact for the very poorest people where they live. But in terms of a comprehensive approach, what I heard coming out of the development ministers meeting was that under the G8 initiative as a whole, countries will have an opportunity to invest where they feel they can have the most impact, based on their skills and their capacity, and that Canada's approach would be focused on contraception and other ranges of opportunities, but not necessarily abortion.
Dr. Anne Snowdon: I have nothing further to add.
The Chair: Ms. Fuselli.
Ms. Pamela Fuselli: No, this is outside of my scope of expertise,for sure. Certainly we focus on the child side.
The Chair: Thank you. You have one and a half minutes.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: If you focus on the child side, would you reject evidence that access to safe abortions and contraception could prevent up to 40% of maternal deaths, which has a direct impact on a child, who can die as a result of their mother having died?
Ms. Pamela Fuselli: The topic is completely outside of my scope of expertise.
The Chair: Ms. Dendys, did you want to answer that? You seemed to be
Ms. Christina Dendys: I'm sorry, I was confused about who it was directed to. You said that a large proportion of women die because of lack of access to contraceptive care. What we're advocating concerning these front line health workers is certainly the capacity to deliver a full range of supports in terms of contraception and family planning and birth spacing.
The Chair: You have 30 seconds.
Mrs. Michelle Simson: The other part of the question was this. If mothers are dying, if 40% of maternal deaths are lack of access to safe abortions, because they're jumping off roofs, would you not agree that it has a direct impact on the lives of children?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: I'm sorry, I've not heard that statistic, so I can't speak to it. The statistic that I've seen repeatedly is that it's roughly 15% of women. That's not something to sneeze at, not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want to leave the impression that I think that's an acceptable number. But as I said, because the majority of the women, according to the statistics, whom we've seen and worked with as organizations are dying because of problems related to the carrying of a child to term and the problems during delivery and after delivery, that is where we felt the focus should be.
The Chair: Thank you.
(later evidence follows...notice how Ms. Demers' tone changes as she asks her questions and note her very last comment)
The Chair: Thank you, Mrs. Wong.
Now we go to Madame Demers for the Bloc.
Ms. Nicole Demers (Laval, BQ): Thank you, Madam Chair.
Ladies, thank you for being here. The World Health Organization says that for the fifth millennium development goal to be achieved, maternal mortality rates will have to decrease much faster that they did between 1990 and 2005, which means that there must be greater focus on women's health care and prevention of unwanted pregnancies and unsafe abortions, and women must be able to receive quality obstetrical care during pregnancy and childbirth.
Today, one seventh of the women in Africa die from failed or unsafe abortions or in childbirth. Nearly 1.7 million women a year have abortions that leave them injured, mutilated, unable to have children after or dead because they had children after. A total of 45,000 women die every year.
You said that was nothing to sneeze at. Don't all these women have the right to stay alive, like any woman who wants to have children, and look forward to having a child one day when they are ready to have one?
Don't you think that our goal as a country should also include ensuring that all women can live and survive pregnancy and childbirth or an abortion of an unwanted pregnancy?
Ms. Cicely McWilliam: First of all, as I said before, Save the Children is a member of the partnership, and we support the notion of an entire support of reproductive care, or health care in totality. What I was saying in relation to the focus of this brief is, again, where the consensus of the organizations who drafted it felt that the value-add for Canada was. Again, the G8 as a whole will take reproductive care up —
Ms. Nicole Demers: I am sorry, but I did not read your brief. I did not have time to read it because we just received it. I am asking you a very simple question. You said you agreed that the full range of care should be provided. I do not agree that women in other countries should receive less care than women here. I am sorry. Ms. Dendys, I would like your opinion on this.
Ms. Christina Dendys: I don't disagree with you, in the sense that all women should have access to health. What we were asked to present on was where we thought the value-added was and where we thought we could have tremendous impact in terms of the vast majority of women and children who are dying. We collectively have determined, based on my colleagues' expertise or the groups' expertise, that community care and front line health workers can have a tremendous impact and give tremendous value-added to the continuum of care.
A bigger issue related to what you are talking about in terms of the full range of reproductive choice is that one of the challenges in 90% of African countries is that there is no access to abortion. It's illegal.
Ms. Nicole Demers: Madame Dendys, je comprends —
Ms. Christina Dendys: I mean, there are ways to address that through the UN, and other ways as well, but I am just saying that we were asked to present here on what we thought our value-add was for Canada. So that's what we're presenting on.
Ms. Nicole Demers: I understand that you likely receive funding and cannot speak. That is clear.
The Chair: You have one more minute.
Ms. Nicole Demers: No, thank you, Madam Chair. It is pointless for me to be here today after what I have heard.
The Chair: Thank you, Madame Demers.
Ms. Mathyssen for the NDP.
Ms. Irene Mathyssen: Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Monday, May June 7, 2010
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Monday, May 10, 2010
Wednesday May 5, 2010
Monday May 3, 2010
Saturday, June 19, 2010
Good bye Globe and Mail
Dear Mr. Stackhouse,
It is time that we and the Globe and Mail parted ways.
My husband and I have subscribed to your newspaper for many many years. Our current subscription expired on June 4, 2010 and we will not be renewing it.
The Globe and Mail has regressed steadily to the left over time and basically there is little left that we care to read anymore. My husband still enjoys Neil Reynolds, Christie Blatchford and John Ibbitson but has completely stopped reading your editorials, Jeffrey Simpson and Lawrence Martin. For me, I have grown weary of your anti-pro-life bias and in fact your general anti-religious bias.
Pro-life articles or letters to the editor are rarely published by the Globe. In fact I'm not sure I have ever seen a pro-life article in your newspaper. Recently when Lysiane Gagnon and Margaret Wente both wrote pro-abortion articles, there were no letters published that refuted what they said. Did you not receive any? I understand that not all letters can be published but surely a newspaper as reputable and as old as the Globe and Mail could at the very least have the journalistic integrity to print alternate view points some of the time.
We now subscribe to the National Post which is not only more in line with our points of view, but it does have the courage and journalistic integrity to publish letters on both sides of any topic including abortion and religion.
Sincerely,
Patricia Maloney
It is time that we and the Globe and Mail parted ways.
My husband and I have subscribed to your newspaper for many many years. Our current subscription expired on June 4, 2010 and we will not be renewing it.
The Globe and Mail has regressed steadily to the left over time and basically there is little left that we care to read anymore. My husband still enjoys Neil Reynolds, Christie Blatchford and John Ibbitson but has completely stopped reading your editorials, Jeffrey Simpson and Lawrence Martin. For me, I have grown weary of your anti-pro-life bias and in fact your general anti-religious bias.
Pro-life articles or letters to the editor are rarely published by the Globe. In fact I'm not sure I have ever seen a pro-life article in your newspaper. Recently when Lysiane Gagnon and Margaret Wente both wrote pro-abortion articles, there were no letters published that refuted what they said. Did you not receive any? I understand that not all letters can be published but surely a newspaper as reputable and as old as the Globe and Mail could at the very least have the journalistic integrity to print alternate view points some of the time.
We now subscribe to the National Post which is not only more in line with our points of view, but it does have the courage and journalistic integrity to publish letters on both sides of any topic including abortion and religion.
Sincerely,
Patricia Maloney
Monday, June 14, 2010
Margaret Somerville responds to Vicki Saporta
Margaret Somerville wrote this article on June 2, 2010 in the Montreal Gazette Busting the abortion myths
Dr. Somerville says in part:
"It's an oft-repeated truism in ethics: "Good facts are essential for good ethics." So surely we need the facts about an issue as ethically fraught as abortion. Yet not only do we not have them, but they are intentionally not gathered or, if some are or might be available, access to them is denied.
That allows two myths that favour the pro-choice stance on abortion to be propagated: That late-term abortion is rare and that there is a consensus in Canada on the public-policy regime that should govern abortion (which, at present, is the complete absence of any law)."
Vicki Saporta responded to Dr. Somerville's article with this letter in the Montreal Gazette published June 5, 2010
Dr. Somerville says in part:
"It's an oft-repeated truism in ethics: "Good facts are essential for good ethics." So surely we need the facts about an issue as ethically fraught as abortion. Yet not only do we not have them, but they are intentionally not gathered or, if some are or might be available, access to them is denied.
That allows two myths that favour the pro-choice stance on abortion to be propagated: That late-term abortion is rare and that there is a consensus in Canada on the public-policy regime that should govern abortion (which, at present, is the complete absence of any law)."
Vicki Saporta responded to Dr. Somerville's article with this letter in the Montreal Gazette published June 5, 2010
Facts are available
Re: "Busting the abortion myths" (Opinion, June 1). Margaret Somerville's article relies on anecdotal evidence that supports her personal ideology rather than speaking to the unbiased, statistical evidence concerning abortion.
The majority of abortions in Canada are provided in the first trimester and there is statistical data to support this fact. In 1995, the responsibility for collecting abortion data was transferred from Statistics Canada to the Canadian Institute for Health Information. Perhaps if Somerville had contacted the correct agency when writing this article, she would have learned that, according to the CIHT, in 2005, the percentage of abortions provided after 20 weeks was less than one percent (0.56 per cent).
Abortions after 20 weeks are provided in a hospital and data show they usually have a corresponding diagnostic code, which indicates a fetal or maternal complication. These are often heartbreaking cases of women who discovered late in very wanted pregnancies that their fetuses were diagnosed with fatal anomalies or that their health or life would be put at risk if they continued their pregnancies.
It is misleading and inaccurate to suggest that the facts on later abortion are somehow hidden from the Canadian people.
Vicki Saporta
President
National Abortion
Federation Canada
Victoria, B.C.
Here is Dr. Somerville's letter to the Editor (unpublished) sent to The [Montreal] Gazette in response to Vicki Saporto's letter.
Dear Editor,
Re: Vicki Saporta (“Facts are available”, Letters, June 5)
Ms. Saporta signs her letter, challenging my recent article on late-term abortion, as President of the National Abortion Federation of Canada. She fails to mention she is also the Executive Director and President of the Washington-based National Abortion Federation, which, according to Joyce Arthur of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, “represents abortion providers in the United States and Canada”. (Charles Lewis, “Fetal rights stir debate on abortion”, National Post, November 19, 2008). It’s no surprise, therefore, that she uses “evidence that supports her ideology”, as she accuses me of doing, and that also supports the “abortion industry” for which she works.
Ms. Saporta tries to undermine my credibility and be reassuring that late-term abortions are so few we shouldn’t be worrying about them, when she states that if I had contacted the correct agency I would have learned that “in 2005 the percentage of abortions provided after 20 weeks was less than one percent (0.56 per cent)”. But Statistics Canada is a “correct agency” and when over 100,000 abortions occur in Canada each year the percentage she gives is consistent with the figures I state in my article, that between 400 and 800 post-20- week gestation abortions occur annually. We wouldn’t consider 400 to 800 deaths a year from road accidents nothing to worry about or a rare occurrence. We should treat late-term abortion similarly.
Ms. Saporta is probably correct that many late-term abortions are associated with “fetal anomalies”. But what is the nature of these “anomalies”? Should we, for instance, be aborting up to 90 per cent of Down syndrome children, as is currently happening, some of them late-term abortions? And what message does this send to disabled Canadians?
And her statement that late-term abortions are necessary to avoid risk to the pregnant woman’s life or health is inconsistent with medical evidence that this is a rare occurrence, especially as early delivery of a viable child is an alternative option.
Finally, Ms. Saporta claims “It is inaccurate and misleading to suggest [as I do] that the facts on later abortion are somehow hidden from the Canadian people”.
She is wrong that they are not being hidden, as, for example, this month's ruling by the British Columbia Office of Information and Privacy’s rejecting an attempt by pro-life activists to gain access to information on abortions at the province’s hospitals clearly shows. The senior adjudicator Celia Francis ruled that release of such information was “not in the public interest”, and the ruling can be interpreted to state that it never will be.
And, it’s ironic that the way in which Ms. Saporta chooses to present her “facts” is obviously intended to result in misleading Canadians in relation to the true realities of late-term abortion.
Sincerely,
Margaret Somerville
Friday, June 11, 2010
Thank you Mr. Harper
The following information is excerpted from an article "SOGC, docs support G20 maternal/child health initiative" from the Canadian Healthcare Network at:
http://www.canadianhealthcarenetwork.ca/
Dr. Jean Chamberlain who founded "Save the Mothers" says “When I was in Uganda I heard that the G20 was focusing on maternal/child health and I just about cried,” in an interview at the Society of Obstetrician and Gynaecologists of Canada (SOGC) annual meeting.
While abortion might be a politically debate in Canada, Dr. Chamberlain, with her international experience, said: “Most of these countries won’t accept money for abortion anyway.” And providing adequate maternal and family-planning care will actually drop the 70,000 unsafe abortions that go on in the world each day. “Let’s stop unsafe abortions,” she said.
“The politics in Canada should not derail this initiative,” said Dr. André Lalonde, executive vice-president of the SOGC. “(This) is the first prime minister ever in Canada to come out for maternal health. (Harper) adopted that in early in December and January. Let’s applaud it, let’s work with the government, let’s work with CIDA (Canadian International Development
Agency). There’s no project that is perfect in this world.”
He says, "Individual physicians and their families should write. . . to the Prime Minister to say they support this initiative. Let's do this. . . . In 20 years our kids will say 'Canada stood up and started this.' We don't want to lose this opportunity.
"You can email the Prime Minister at: pm@pm.gc.ca
http://www.canadianhealthcarenetwork.ca/
Dr. Jean Chamberlain who founded "Save the Mothers" says “When I was in Uganda I heard that the G20 was focusing on maternal/child health and I just about cried,” in an interview at the Society of Obstetrician and Gynaecologists of Canada (SOGC) annual meeting.
While abortion might be a politically debate in Canada, Dr. Chamberlain, with her international experience, said: “Most of these countries won’t accept money for abortion anyway.” And providing adequate maternal and family-planning care will actually drop the 70,000 unsafe abortions that go on in the world each day. “Let’s stop unsafe abortions,” she said.
“The politics in Canada should not derail this initiative,” said Dr. André Lalonde, executive vice-president of the SOGC. “(This) is the first prime minister ever in Canada to come out for maternal health. (Harper) adopted that in early in December and January. Let’s applaud it, let’s work with the government, let’s work with CIDA (Canadian International Development
Agency). There’s no project that is perfect in this world.”
He says, "Individual physicians and their families should write. . . to the Prime Minister to say they support this initiative. Let's do this. . . . In 20 years our kids will say 'Canada stood up and started this.' We don't want to lose this opportunity.
"You can email the Prime Minister at: pm@pm.gc.ca
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