Showing posts with label fetal pain. Show all posts
Showing posts with label fetal pain. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 30, 2020

Fetal pain during abortion is an ethical problem

Fetal pain during an abortion is a real thing. Recently I listened to an interview from Johnathon Van Maren with John C Bockmann, about his new research on fetal pain: Reconsidering fetal pain.

Three things of note about this research.

First, is that the two authors (Stuart WG Derbyshire and John C Bockmann) are on different sides of the abortion debate:
The two authors of this paper have very different views on the morality of abortion. One of us believes that abortion is necessary for women’s health and autonomy, while the other believes that abortion violates the ethical principle of non-maleficence and ought to be restricted and discouraged.
I'd say it's unusual to hear of a pro-choice person willing to collaborate with a pro-life person on abortion.

Second, is that most previous research on fetal pain believed that that the cortex was necessary for pain experience. There is new evidence to the contrary, and pain could be felt as early as 13 weeks gestation.
"Reports often suggest that the cortex and intact thalamocortical tracts are necessary for pain experience. Given that the cortex only becomes functional and the tracts only develop after 24 weeks, many reports rule out fetal pain until the final trimester. Here, more recent evidence calling into question the necessity of the cortex for pain and demonstrating functional thalamic connectivity into the subplate is used to argue that the neuroscience cannot definitively rule out fetal pain before 24 weeks."
"The most common surgical technique is dilatation and evacuation (D&E). In a D&E, the cervix is dilated, the amniotic fluid drained, and the fetus is removed in pieces via several surgical manoeuvres using grasping forceps. Again fetal death follows either direct feticide performed before the D&E or the trauma of the D&E results in the death of the fetus. We consider the possibility of fetal pain during these two procedures post-13 weeks’ gestation."
Canada performs D&E abortions. Thousands of them. Every year.

In 2018 Canadian doctors performed at least 2,076 D&E abortions according to CIHI. I say at least because CIHI only reports D&E abortions for those performed in hospitals. We do not know the numbers of these abortions performed in clinics. We also know that CIHI reported at least 3,002 hospital abortions done between 13 and 21+weeks gestation, with an additional 3,818 of unknown gestational ages. How many of those unknown gestational age abortions were done? We don't know.

(Once again the gestational ages of the clinic abortions are also not reported. Also the "gestational age" abortions are not in addition to the "type" of abortion; they are different ways of categorizing the same hospital abortions. But since D&E abortions are done from 13-24 weeks gestation, we must ask ourselves exactly what type of abortion this difference of 926 is made up of?

Third, regardless of the sheer number of how many D&E abortions are performed each year in Canada (and one is too many), shouldn't we also be concerned about the morality of the pain inflicted on the fetus? It is refreshing to see a pro-choice person care enough about fetal pain, as well as the morality of causing fetal pain, to undertake such research.
"We also agree that if fetal pain is likely then that has ethical and clinical significance independent of any views on the morality of abortion per se. That said, it is also clear to us that the issue of fetal pain has ethical significance because of abortion practices and not because of other surgical or therapeutic fetal procedures."
Thousands of Canadian children in the womb are pulled apart every year, limb by limb, without anesthesia, when it is very probable that they feel those limbs being crunched and ripped. Just imagine someone doing the same to you. That would be called barbaric.

More on fetal pain here.

Friday, June 17, 2016

Fetal pain - as early as 20 weeks

From Physicians for Life Fetal Pain: The Current Evidence:
"...when pain is defined as a higher-order process, it is conceivable that a fetus experiences pain at 20 weeks, which is when thalamic connections are completed, based on observations of anencephalic children with intact brainstem and thalamus. By 24-28 weeks, it is even more certain that pain experience is possible, as this is when the cortical connections are complete..." 

Friday, January 18, 2013

Are lobsters more important than babies?

The Globe and Mail is worried about lobsters feeling pain when it's cooking. Oh brother.

What about babies feeling pain when they are aborted. Is the G&M worried about that?

Prof. Elwood says that:
“The advantage of pain is that it trains your attention to what caused it so you can learn and change your behaviour in the future."

The pain a child feels as it is being ripped from it's mother's body never gets the chance to change its behaviour, since the baby is soon, you know, dead.

“It shows clearly that the animals are learning, they’re discriminating between a safe area and an area that isn’t, It’s a criterion that has been tested and been found to be consistent with pain.”

The child never gets the chance to learn to find any "safe area", since none exists during an abortion. Lucky animals.

"While mammals are given some measure of consideration when they are slaughtered, it is common for crustaceans to have their bodies ripped while alive, Prof. Elwood noted.

But not the baby mammal of the human species, not a whole whack of "consideration" there. Not while they are being "slaughtered" and having "their bodies ripped apart".

“An unmentionably large number are abused in extreme ways and perhaps through this experiment there might be some changes in attitudes and practices.”

Wow. Do we as a species, actually care more about a lobster being boiled, than a about a baby being dismembered, disemboweled and decapitated? Now that is "abuse in extreme ways".

And changes in "attitudes and practices"? Bring it on I say. Save the baby. Boil the lobster.